reasonandempathy:

shieldfoss:

reasonandempathy:

shieldfoss:

barren-and-trivial-words:

Actually it was a large, military-industrial complex fueled by capitalism on one front and an oppressive, tyrannical dictatorship on the other.

If you’ll recall, it was not respectful discourse and scathing witticisms that granted the Nazis legitimacy prior to WWII, but socialist street violence.

>Nazis literally burn down the Reichstag and blame it on communists

>“socialist street violence legitimized the nazis, guys”

You literally fell for the most certified and well-known false-flag operation in modern history and you’re acting as if you know your ass from your elbow.

1: @ me next time
2: I wrote “street violence” for a reason:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic#Political_turmoil

The false-flag Reichstragsbrand won the Nazis the government. Their defense against socialist street violence in the years prior won them popularity.

1: it’s a 4-something thousand note post.  I presumed you’d had enough of this post by now.

2: the Nazis started just as much street violence as they responded to, and that’s being generous to the SA.  The street violence was being pushed by them, their marches were breaking out in riots.  

Goebbels believed that “horseplay is necessary.” At a showing of a film adaptation of the pacifist novel “Im Westen nichts Neues” (“All Quiet on the Western Front”) on Dec. 5, 1930, at the Mozartsaal cinema on Berlin’s Nollendorfplatz, members of the SA released white mice into the audience. Screaming women caused the film to be interrupted while SA men roared with laughter. Goebbels himself was sitting in the audience.

He justified his strategy of provocation by saying that the Nazis could be accused of many things, but certainly not of being dull. Street battles and brawls at political meetings forged a sense of unity and camaraderie among party members in Berlin. On May 1, 1927, Hitler spoke to them for the first time at the dignified Clou concert hall. Goebbels enjoyed Hitler’s confidence and was moved to tears by his speech about “space and the people.”

Was there tension?  Sure.  But the actual violence on the streets was caused and propagated by the Nazis.

Your own wikipedia article says this point blank.

Further pressure from the political right came in 1923 with the Beer Hall Putsch, also called the Munich Putsch, staged by the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler in Munich. In 1920, the German Workers’ Party had become the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP), or Nazi party, and would become a driving force in the collapse of Weimar. Hitler named himself as chairman of the party in July 1921. On 8 November 1923, the Kampfbund, in a pact with Erich Ludendorff, took over a meeting by Bavarian prime minister Gustav von Kahr at a beer hall in Munich.

There was tension, yeah.  Socialists were fighting other socialists.  Then the nazis came by, actively provocative and stirred the pot, literally caused the majority of the street violence, and even 80 years later people are still saying the socialists did it.

Since I recognize some people don’t know what the Munich Putsch was, it was a full-blown coup attempt.

The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch,[1]and, in German, as the Hitlerputsch or Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch, was a failed coup attempt by the Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler — along with Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders — to seize power in Munich, Bavaria, during 8–9 November 1923. About two thousand men marched to the centre of Munich, where they confronted the police, which resulted in the death of 16 Nazis and four policemen.[1] Hitler himself was wounded during the clash.

it still boils down to “you don’t know what happened”, and now we can throw in a “you didn’t even read your own source” as well.

Of course the Nazis were violent shitheads. Did I write they were swell people?

But the reason people accepted the violence is because the Nazis didn’t start the ball rolling.

And today, Antifa are, once again, creating a situation where Nazis aren’t the ones starting the ball rolling. I wonder what other parts of German history they’re actively trying to recreate (Hint: None, because they don’t have any serious theoretical underpinning, they just like using violence and getting away with it.)

EDIT: I probably come off as super confrontational. I’m sorry. I’m just really mad at the people who are LARPing “defender of freedom” while actively making things worse.

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