clawsofpropinquity:

shieldfoss:

clawsofpropinquity:

shieldfoss:

morlock-holmes:

shieldfoss:

discoursedrome:

rustingbridges:

discoursedrome:

Honestly the thing that makes me saddest about the AAA Video Game Clusterfuck du Jour is knowing that there are probably a ton of people who spend shitloads of crunch time lovingly working on the one tiny part of the game they had control over only for it to be hopelessly fucked up at the executive level

(also all those people will probably get fired, but there’s at least a 75% chance they’d be fired even if it was a huge success)

if this is sad then man do I have some bad news for you about the number of government employees, and the likely outcomes for the projects they’re assigned to

true that, though honestly if AAA game employees were unionized at the same rate as government employees and the private sector was subject to the same kind of labour laws as the public sector, the game thing would be less sad

There will not be a “AAA Game Developer’s Union” for the exact same reason there won’t be a “Rock Star Union.”

Is “rock star” in this case referring to the profession or the game company? Because if it’s the former, I mean, like… Pretty much every movie star is unionized.

Every movie star is a member of the Screen Actor’s Guild, which is not a union. You can tell in two ways: (1) The name says “guild,” not “union.” (2) It functions as a guild, not a union.

(Also I meant rock-star-the-profession. And it’s sufficiently different from acting that similar concerns don’t apply – and there won’t be a Rock Star Guild either)

The position of devs in the game industry is surely closer to that of lightning technicians, stage hands etc all of whom are famously unionised. As are musicians (”rock star” isn’t a profession).

And actors in the UK and Canada are represented by a trade union.

The fact that they’re both capable of turning people into celebrities does not actually mean actors and musicians are any kind of similar when it comes to the economic factors that would lead to unionization. I used musicians, not actors, deliberately.

And are you seriously telling me you think Guns N’ Roses, Beyonce and (*spins wheel*) @ms-demeanor are in a musicians union?

EDIT: Actually you know what, I shouldn’t concede on the Musician/Rock Star/Game Dev equivalence. I didn’t say rock star was a profession. I said there won’t be a AAA Game Developer’s Union for the same reason there won’t be a Rock Star’s Union.

You were the one who brought up the SAG (which incidentally is 100% a union, with the AFL-CIO affiliation and the history of strikes to prove it – how do you think Reagan got into the Labor Hall of Honor?).

It’s possible Beyonce might not be in the AFM but her session musicians certainly would be, and her touring band must be in that or the local equiv or they’d have trouble booking venues in a lot of places. Which is what’s relevant to discoursedrome’s suggestion that the employees of AAA Game studios should get unionized. If all you are trying to say is that Peter Molyneux is never going to end up on a picket line, I don’t see how that disputes their point.

You were the one who brought up the SAG (which incidentally is 100% a union, with the AFL-CIO affiliation and the history of strikes to prove it – how do you think Reagan got into the Labor Hall of Honor?).

Treachery and base corruption tbh. SAC doesn’t help labor.

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